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D.J. Johnson, 2017 7* BUCK, Miami (Da U), FL - transferring?

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  • TequillaTequilla Posts: 13,091
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    BallzDeep said:

    Tequilla said:

    Unpopular opinion alert ...

    UW’s ability to win a National Title will require us to have a Top 10 National Defense that is generally sound and having an elite level QB that plays at an elite level

    For those of you think that 1991 is the only way to do it, that was less because we had elite players (outside of Emtman) but more because we had a defensive strategy that was largely new to college and teams weren’t largely ready to combat. In the 1992 Rose Bowl the D dominated Michigan. In 1993, Michigan put up 38 and Tyrone Wheatley ran all over us as teams started finding ways to exploit the defense.

    So unless we have plans on revolutionizing defensive football our best shot is to have an elite QB. And guess what you have a great chance of finding on the West Coast compared to the SEC ... it’s the ONLY competitive advantage we almost always will have on the field going forward.

    How'd that work out for USC and UCLA this season? It takes an entire team and you have to be elite on both lines of scrimmage to compete at that level. Having an elite QB doesn't mean shit if you don't have studs across the board in the trenches on both sides.
    Neither IMO played at an elite level ... at least on a consistent basis.

    Obviously you need good line play ... which traditionally we tend to hold our own there.

    But let’s be clear, we are never competing for the National Title with a team that can run it down someone’s throat. The only way we do so is having a QB with no fear that is willing and capable of making the throws and plays necessary.
    YellowSnowhaie
  • BallzDeepBallzDeep Posts: 1,562
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    BallzDeep said:

    Tequilla said:

    Unpopular opinion alert ...

    UW’s ability to win a National Title will require us to have a Top 10 National Defense that is generally sound and having an elite level QB that plays at an elite level

    For those of you think that 1991 is the only way to do it, that was less because we had elite players (outside of Emtman) but more because we had a defensive strategy that was largely new to college and teams weren’t largely ready to combat. In the 1992 Rose Bowl the D dominated Michigan. In 1993, Michigan put up 38 and Tyrone Wheatley ran all over us as teams started finding ways to exploit the defense.

    So unless we have plans on revolutionizing defensive football our best shot is to have an elite QB. And guess what you have a great chance of finding on the West Coast compared to the SEC ... it’s the ONLY competitive advantage we almost always will have on the field going forward.

    How'd that work out for USC and UCLA this season? It takes an entire team and you have to be elite on both lines of scrimmage to compete at that level. Having an elite QB doesn't mean shit if you don't have studs across the board in the trenches on both sides.
    USC and UCLA didn't have elite QBs
    Both will be drafted in the top-10. What is your definition of elite?
    TierbsHsotBoobs
  • BallzDeepBallzDeep Posts: 1,562
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    I'm too lazy to read through this thread. Where is he transferring to?

    Oregon.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Posts: 4,156
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    Tequilla said:

    BallzDeep said:

    Tequilla said:

    Unpopular opinion alert ...

    UW’s ability to win a National Title will require us to have a Top 10 National Defense that is generally sound and having an elite level QB that plays at an elite level

    For those of you think that 1991 is the only way to do it, that was less because we had elite players (outside of Emtman) but more because we had a defensive strategy that was largely new to college and teams weren’t largely ready to combat. In the 1992 Rose Bowl the D dominated Michigan. In 1993, Michigan put up 38 and Tyrone Wheatley ran all over us as teams started finding ways to exploit the defense.

    So unless we have plans on revolutionizing defensive football our best shot is to have an elite QB. And guess what you have a great chance of finding on the West Coast compared to the SEC ... it’s the ONLY competitive advantage we almost always will have on the field going forward.

    How'd that work out for USC and UCLA this season? It takes an entire team and you have to be elite on both lines of scrimmage to compete at that level. Having an elite QB doesn't mean shit if you don't have studs across the board in the trenches on both sides.
    Neither IMO played at an elite level ... at least on a consistent basis.

    Obviously you need good line play ... which traditionally we tend to hold our own there.

    But let’s be clear, we are never competing for the National Title with a team that can run it down someone’s throat. The only way we do so is having a QB with no fear that is willing and capable of making the throws and plays necessary.
    The evidence of a Tier II school needing an elite NFL caliber QB to get to the NT game is overwhelming in the BCS/CFP era. Georgia is an outlier because they are a Tier II school that has recruited at a Tier I level for a while.
    RhythmicSlappingDawgdnc
  • jhfstyle24jhfstyle24 Posts: 983
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    NEsnake12 said:

    BallzDeep said:

    BallzDeep said:

    Tequilla said:

    Unpopular opinion alert ...

    UW’s ability to win a National Title will require us to have a Top 10 National Defense that is generally sound and having an elite level QB that plays at an elite level

    For those of you think that 1991 is the only way to do it, that was less because we had elite players (outside of Emtman) but more because we had a defensive strategy that was largely new to college and teams weren’t largely ready to combat. In the 1992 Rose Bowl the D dominated Michigan. In 1993, Michigan put up 38 and Tyrone Wheatley ran all over us as teams started finding ways to exploit the defense.

    So unless we have plans on revolutionizing defensive football our best shot is to have an elite QB. And guess what you have a great chance of finding on the West Coast compared to the SEC ... it’s the ONLY competitive advantage we almost always will have on the field going forward.

    How'd that work out for USC and UCLA this season? It takes an entire team and you have to be elite on both lines of scrimmage to compete at that level. Having an elite QB doesn't mean shit if you don't have studs across the board in the trenches on both sides.
    USC and UCLA didn't have elite QBs
    Both will be drafted in the top-10. What is your definition of elite?
    NFL potential =/= elite college QB

    Both were high level, but elite college QBs don’t shit the bed in the way Darnold did against Ohio St. or lose as many games as Rosen did. That would be smearing the definition of elite.

    An example of an actually elite QB is Deshaun Watson
    I would consider Lamar Jackson an elite college QB, and he threw 4 picks against MSSU.

  • AIRWOLFAIRWOLF Posts: 1,400
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    Passion said:

    Tequilla said:

    Unpopular opinion alert ...

    UW’s ability to win a National Title will require us to have a Top 10 National Defense that is generally sound and having an elite level QB that plays at an elite level

    For those of you think that 1991 is the only way to do it, that was less because we had elite players (outside of Emtman) but more because we had a defensive strategy that was largely new to college and teams weren’t largely ready to combat. In the 1992 Rose Bowl the D dominated Michigan. In 1993, Michigan put up 38 and Tyrone Wheatley ran all over us as teams started finding ways to exploit the defense.

    So unless we have plans on revolutionizing defensive football our best shot is to have an elite QB. And guess what you have a great chance of finding on the West Coast compared to the SEC ... it’s the ONLY competitive advantage we almost always will have on the field going forward.

    So you're saying that Donald Jones and Andy Mason were not elite college pass rushers?

    The reason michigan had more offense in '93 is because we lost a lot of the "elite" players, including losing Donald Jones and replacing Emtman with Steve Hoffman.
    They were great athletes that had unusual body types that were put in a great position to succeed by (1) the 46 defense, and (2) Emtman.

    TequillaYellowSnow
  • FremontTrollFremontTroll Posts: 2,233
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    Passion said:

    Tequilla said:

    Unpopular opinion alert ...

    UW’s ability to win a National Title will require us to have a Top 10 National Defense that is generally sound and having an elite level QB that plays at an elite level

    For those of you think that 1991 is the only way to do it, that was less because we had elite players (outside of Emtman) but more because we had a defensive strategy that was largely new to college and teams weren’t largely ready to combat. In the 1992 Rose Bowl the D dominated Michigan. In 1993, Michigan put up 38 and Tyrone Wheatley ran all over us as teams started finding ways to exploit the defense.

    So unless we have plans on revolutionizing defensive football our best shot is to have an elite QB. And guess what you have a great chance of finding on the West Coast compared to the SEC ... it’s the ONLY competitive advantage we almost always will have on the field going forward.

    So you're saying that Donald Jones and Andy Mason were not elite college pass rushers?

    The reason michigan had more offense in '93 is because we lost a lot of the "elite" players, including losing Donald Jones and replacing Emtman with Steve Hoffman.
    No, that can't be right. That wouldn't fit Tequilla's narrative.
    PassionTequilla
  • FremontTrollFremontTroll Posts: 2,233
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    Tequilla said:

    Unpopular opinion alert ...

    UW’s ability to win a National Title will require us to have a Top 10 National Defense that is generally sound and having an elite level QB that plays at an elite level

    For those of you think that 1991 is the only way to do it, that was less because we had elite players (outside of Emtman) but more because we had a defensive strategy that was largely new to college and teams weren’t largely ready to combat. In the 1992 Rose Bowl the D dominated Michigan. In 1993, Michigan put up 38 and Tyrone Wheatley ran all over us as teams started finding ways to exploit the defense.

    So unless we have plans on revolutionizing defensive football our best shot is to have an elite QB. And guess what you have a great chance of finding on the West Coast compared to the SEC ... it’s the ONLY competitive advantage we almost always will have on the field going forward.

    This very thread is about an ELITE defensive recruit that UW could have had with better/harder recruiting.
    RhythmicSlappingDawgdncTequilla
  • AIRWOLFAIRWOLF Posts: 1,400
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    Passion said:

    Tequilla said:

    Unpopular opinion alert ...

    UW’s ability to win a National Title will require us to have a Top 10 National Defense that is generally sound and having an elite level QB that plays at an elite level

    For those of you think that 1991 is the only way to do it, that was less because we had elite players (outside of Emtman) but more because we had a defensive strategy that was largely new to college and teams weren’t largely ready to combat. In the 1992 Rose Bowl the D dominated Michigan. In 1993, Michigan put up 38 and Tyrone Wheatley ran all over us as teams started finding ways to exploit the defense.

    So unless we have plans on revolutionizing defensive football our best shot is to have an elite QB. And guess what you have a great chance of finding on the West Coast compared to the SEC ... it’s the ONLY competitive advantage we almost always will have on the field going forward.

    So you're saying that Donald Jones and Andy Mason were not elite college pass rushers?

    The reason michigan had more offense in '93 is because we lost a lot of the "elite" players, including losing Donald Jones and replacing Emtman with Steve Hoffman.
    No, that can't be right. That wouldn't fit Tequilla's narrative.
    It was both. The defense was always a high risk/high reward defense. With the right personnel, it could dominate the offenses of the time period. With corners that weren't quite as good in coverage or a defensive front that wasn't quite as dominating, the defense was a big play waiting to happen for the other team.
    YellowSnow
  • NEsnake12NEsnake12 Posts: 1,572
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    BallzDeep said:

    NEsnake12 said:

    BallzDeep said:

    BallzDeep said:

    Tequilla said:

    Unpopular opinion alert ...

    UW’s ability to win a National Title will require us to have a Top 10 National Defense that is generally sound and having an elite level QB that plays at an elite level

    For those of you think that 1991 is the only way to do it, that was less because we had elite players (outside of Emtman) but more because we had a defensive strategy that was largely new to college and teams weren’t largely ready to combat. In the 1992 Rose Bowl the D dominated Michigan. In 1993, Michigan put up 38 and Tyrone Wheatley ran all over us as teams started finding ways to exploit the defense.

    So unless we have plans on revolutionizing defensive football our best shot is to have an elite QB. And guess what you have a great chance of finding on the West Coast compared to the SEC ... it’s the ONLY competitive advantage we almost always will have on the field going forward.

    How'd that work out for USC and UCLA this season? It takes an entire team and you have to be elite on both lines of scrimmage to compete at that level. Having an elite QB doesn't mean shit if you don't have studs across the board in the trenches on both sides.
    USC and UCLA didn't have elite QBs
    Both will be drafted in the top-10. What is your definition of elite?
    NFL potential =/= elite college QB

    Both were high level, but elite college QBs don’t shit the bed in the way Darnold did against Ohio St. or lose as many games as Rosen did. That would be smearing the definition of elite.

    An example of an actually elite QB is Deshaun Watson
    Bullshit, that would mean there is only maybe one or two elite QB's in the entire nation every year and some year's zero. Put Darnold or Rosen at Alabama or Georgia and all of a sudden they look way better playing with a better team.

    Why is it that Bama has won so many titles with average game managers at QB? Why did Ohio State butt fuck SC when Darnold is better than Barrett. Why is Georgia in the national title with a true Freshman QB who throws less than 20 passes a game? You don't need a fucking elite QB. You need an elite team that has no weaknesses at any position.
    Exactly. That's a good thing. It depends on your verbatim, but if we're talking about QB tiers then there has to be a pretty exclusive top tier to distinguish the very good QBs from the transcendent ones, which I (and many others) call the elite tier. It's not fair to put Darnold and Rosen in the same tier as guys like Watson and Mariota who are undeniably a step ahead of them as COLLEGE QBs.

    ESPN and other shit media likes to throw around the "elite" word a lot to generate pointless discussion and get clicks. But if we're being honest there's a lot fewer players, especially QBs, who are truly elite.

    Also, the fuck are you talking about? I never said you need an elite QB to win natty's.
    TierbsHsotBoobs
  • dncdnc Posts: 30,665
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    BallzDeep said:

    BallzDeep said:

    Tequilla said:

    Unpopular opinion alert ...

    UW’s ability to win a National Title will require us to have a Top 10 National Defense that is generally sound and having an elite level QB that plays at an elite level

    For those of you think that 1991 is the only way to do it, that was less because we had elite players (outside of Emtman) but more because we had a defensive strategy that was largely new to college and teams weren’t largely ready to combat. In the 1992 Rose Bowl the D dominated Michigan. In 1993, Michigan put up 38 and Tyrone Wheatley ran all over us as teams started finding ways to exploit the defense.

    So unless we have plans on revolutionizing defensive football our best shot is to have an elite QB. And guess what you have a great chance of finding on the West Coast compared to the SEC ... it’s the ONLY competitive advantage we almost always will have on the field going forward.

    How'd that work out for USC and UCLA this season? It takes an entire team and you have to be elite on both lines of scrimmage to compete at that level. Having an elite QB doesn't mean shit if you don't have studs across the board in the trenches on both sides.
    USC and UCLA didn't have elite QBs
    Both will be drafted in the top-10. What is your definition of elite?
    Baker Mayfield will get drafted behind them both but he was 10x their superior as a college QB.

    Mayfield was elite. Watson was elite. Lamar Jackson was probably elite.

    This is a dumb argument because a) no one is arguing you just need an elite qb b) no one but you is arguing you don't need an elite qb.

    UW is probably never winning the NT without an elite QB. That doesn't mean that elite qb won't need other elite players around them.

    DJ Johnson is a potentially elite player that our coaching staff is apparently betting against. It's a bold move, one I disagree with. Their bet may well pay off though.

    LIFPO.
    RhythmicSlappingDawgCokeGreaterThanPepsiTierbsHsotBoobsYellowSnow
  • bananasnblondesbananasnblondes Posts: 7,365
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    A guy on dawgman made a post along the lines of "I help pay Petersen's salary and as a fan I demand a statement from him on why DJ isn't coming to UW".

    And I thought this place went to shit when we don't get a guy.


    It will be chinteresting to find out if DJ had an "offer" from UW this time around.
    RhythmicSlappingDawgGrundleStiltzkinBayDawgCougzz
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